I found out why I got a telling off


I’ll keep this short because it isn’t worth wasting much time on…I got invited onto a local fitness board/forum…and apparently some of the personal trainers that hang out there got there panties in a bunch…or so I’ve been told…that is all. I won’t be going back because I don’t think I can be bothered anyway…it was part of my…try to be constructive not destructive thing that I’ve got going on at the moment…but having some mod there tell me not to upset all the poor little personal trainers by speaking forcefully to them was just a bit much…talk about lame. If anyone that hangs out there is reading this you might want to go and let them know that ‘Elvis has left the building’…and I’m comparing myself to Elvis in his later guise when he was fat, bloated and near death…because I’m pretty sure they’ll still be crapping on over there giving me the good stern lecturing that they think I need to put me in my place…I’m just worried that they’ll think I’m ignorant…for not responding…as well as being a big meanie…I’d hate for them to think bad of me because I’m really quite sensitive.

I won’t bother with much more tonight…I’m going to get started on tidying up this blog and the athletes blog and start drafting out my homework so I can drop the vids and photo’s into it tomorrow. So if there is anything else I missed homework wise just drop it in the homework post below this one and it will be done this weekend.

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21 thoughts on “I found out why I got a telling off

  1. I’ll let them know…

    Tbh the reason you got your telling off is because;

    -sarcasm doesn’t work on the internet, and I’m not sure if you even were being anyway….

    -you bascially just kept attacking everyone. You didn’t really offer much in the way of advice, other than trying to put forth how much you know and other PT’s in Ireland don’t measure up to your standards.

    You can’t expect people to react favourably to someone acting like that?

  2. I’ll let them know…
    Good for you…at least that is one thing useful that you can say you did today.

    Tbh the reason you got your telling off is because;

    -sarcasm doesn’t work on the internet, and I’m not sure if you even were being anyway….
    Thanks for the critique…I’ll try better in future.

    -you bascially just kept attacking everyone. You didn’t really offer much in the way of advice, other than trying to put forth how much you know and other PT’s in Ireland don’t measure up to your standards.
    Actually that’s not true on several counts. I didn’t attack anyone…I merely stated that pissing and moaning about the quality of courses while admitting that you did nothing was absolutely pathetic. The fact that a number of posters there all said the same thing…in that they just shut their mouths and wrote what they were told to pass the course just shows what a collective bunch of cowards they all were. The reason I was given a telling off was not because I was wrong…it was because I was right and absolutely everyone there knew it and the only reason that it wasn’t appreciated is because people don’t want the fact that they are pathetic and cowards rubbed in their face.

    You can’t expect people to react favourably to someone acting like that?
    Actually I got a heap of favourable reaction both in person from and via email and PM…because just as I said…I know there are good trainers out their…and that there are people who want to make a positive contribution to the industry here instead of putting up with the absolute garbage that is dished up…I got a lot more favourable comment than negative…people who are good trainers knew what I was saying was absolutely spot on…and the crap ones who know they are crap knew I was spot on as well.

    I can only take a guess as to what camp you yourself are in.

  3. “Good for you…at least that is one thing useful that you can say you did today.”
    See, that’s that attitude people have a problem with…

    “I was right and absolutely everyone there knew it and the only reason that it wasn’t appreciated is because people don’t want the fact that they are pathetic and cowards rubbed in their face.”
    Lol…. yeah, I guess you’re right. You weren’t insulting anyone at all…

    “I can only take a guess as to what camp you yourself are in.”
    It’s certainly not the mods camp. The “camp” that I’m in is one where “we” (lol) don’t like idiots who think they know everything (fat makes you fat, cardio makes you muscular and lean), but “we” also don’t like people aggresively putting their point across and thinking they’re the only one with any real level of knowledge and everyone else is the proletariat.

  4. “Good for you…at least that is one thing useful that you can say you did today.”
    See, that’s that attitude people have a problem with…
    …and I’m fine with that…as anyone who has actually taken the time to meet me knows…I post exactly how I talk and I never say anything in an email or in a forum that I wouldn’t say to their face. If people have a problem with that…it’s their problem not mine…because I don’t actually care how people take me…and anyone who knows me knows that as well.

    “I was right and absolutely everyone there knew it and the only reason that it wasn’t appreciated is because people don’t want the fact that they are pathetic and cowards rubbed in their face.”
    Lol…. yeah, I guess you’re right. You weren’t insulting anyone at all…
    If people find the truth insulting why the hell is that my fault…30 people sitting in a room while someone tells them that going any deeper than a quarter squat is dangerous…who say nothing…then write that in an exam…find the fact that I think they are pathetic cowards insulting that’s their problem. It would take exactly one of these groups to change the entire curriculum…if they all stood up and said we are not accepting this crap and you can change it or give us all our money back and then hopped on every fitnees related board in the country this garbage would be stopped almost instantenously…these course are not doing a public service…they are BUSINESSES and all they care about is money…that’s it…if the money stopped…so would they.

    “I can only take a guess as to what camp you yourself are in.”
    It’s certainly not the mods camp. The “camp” that I’m in is one where “we” (lol) don’t like idiots who think they know everything (fat makes you fat, cardio makes you muscular and lean), but “we” also don’t like people aggresively putting their point across and thinking they’re the only one with any real level of knowledge and everyone else is the proletariat.
    See I don’t think that…and the fact that you do says more about you than me…I go and watch and work with other coaches all the time…I bring in outside coaches to do specialist coaching with my athletes all the time…I’ve can’t remember ever saying no to anyone who has ever asked me for help ever. I don’t think I’m anything great…I’m just getting my job done like everyone else….what you are bringing up here is a few things….one that some people have a massive chip on their shoulder (and that someone isn’t me) and that some others have a massive inferiority complex and are guilty of projecting.

  5. Sarcasm I thought was the lowest form of wit (or is it the highest?)…. Anyway people only respond to critiscm in 2 ways they take it on the chin and get better or they bitch and moan about how amazing they are in their own little communities. PT simply is not high level S and C, however I do believe the principles of training athletes are applied in PT but in a simplistic form e.g. take care of the basics, sleep and nutrition, regular training etc. Quite simply PT’s run around talking about tricep kickbacks or tricep dips or who is more amazing Chek or Poloquin, quite frankly- who cares, it doesn’t mean a thing and doesn’t further good practice.

    In our industry we don’t get criticised- it’s full of clients who tell us how good we are constantly and there is very litle accountability for results- after qualifying people almost become their own self-certifying organization bigging themselves up on internet forums (not thats what im doing :)) I worked in National Rugby League last year and had a disagreement with the coach, he wnated them blowing out their arse for two hours of training- I prefered them to focus on lifting heavy for the first hour to keep them strong followed up by some speed development work… who was right? Well it doesn’t matter because it was my fault because he was the boss and held me accountable- it’s amazing how you can change practice when you have to get results! Rather than sitting in front of a keyboard upset at someone being “sarcastic” or “negative” deal with it and ask the person what the solution is- if they can’t answer then fine “bar” them…

  6. Firstly, I don’t have a problem with Hanley…at least I don’t think so anyway.
    I know that I rub people up the wrong way…and I’m fine with that. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I was ASKED to start posting at that forum…I’ve been working and living here in Ireland for nearly 10 years and I’d never heard of it or come across it ever. They don’t want me there…that’s fine…I was told the reason that people (ie trainers) were upset with me is because they trawl for clients and basically advertise their services there…and that they got there panties in a bunch because it was there opinion that I was ‘throwing my weight around’ or ‘pissing in their pool’ or that I was trying to ‘steal’ their potential clients. All of which I just find pathetic and that being the case they can have their little community all to themselves and continue to blow smoke up each other arses. My response had I been them would have been to show me the error of my ways…to point out how and why I was wrong…none of which happened…instead they basically agreed with me, backed up every point I made but got in a pissy mood because they didn’t like my tone and didn’t like the fact that they felt I was rubbing it in their face.

    The funniest thing was that I was actually going to offer some free stuff to the members of that board…and was discussing this with a Dublin City gym owner. I was in the processes of putting together a seminar for women and girls who were interested in getting involved in weight training and also to have open sessions where athletes and trainers could come and get some coaching on the technical elements of their lifting with myself and other coaches. I actually wanted to make a contribution to that board in particular because I was told there were good people there.

    I’m supposedly arrogant and obnoxious…and maybe that is true…but I don’t think so…I really like my job…I like working with athletes and people who are serious about their training…I want to make things better…not supposedly show people how much better I am than them…just show them what I do and how I do it and they can make up their own minds like my athletes and clients do as to whether I’m good at it or not.

    So Hanley…you can let those whining little blouses know that or not…because I could really care less…I’m happy I got to experience the welcoming, thoughtful open board to which you are a member and I’ll pass the same message on to the Mod from that board that I met yesterday as well to see if he’s really interested in the board or whether like the other mods just wants to keep the status quo.

    Ian,
    Everything you said…100%.

  7. I worked in National Rugby League last year and had a disagreement with the coach, he wnated them blowing out their arse for two hours of training- I prefered them to focus on lifting heavy for the first hour to keep them strong followed up by some speed development work

    Ian – regarding the above, I find that my speed work suffers greatly if done after lifting to the stage thats its always done now at the end of the session or early monring before an evening track session. Why do you do it in that sequence? When I say suffers I mean in both times and also in not feeling good and fresh and fast (which is something I always want to feel when doing speed.

  8. It’s simply a case of how much time you have and what the needs individually are and how the programme progresses.

    In fairness I only had about 3 hours with these guys 1.5 hours on Monday and Wednesday while Friday’s session was before a game not including their tactical/ field training. Logisticaly if we wanted them to lift it didn’t make sense post session- so a majority of the time they did their strength work before they went out on the field. We mixed it up through the season with putting the speed work at the start of the session. Fitness tests basically showed that the ones who lifted a greater “poundage” through the season and were regular trainers maintained their strength levels and got quicker over a short distance. The one’s who were injured or missed too many sessions didn’t.

    The reason we lifted before the speed a majority of the time is that we were lifting quite heavy without doing excessive amounts of volume in season. The warm up involved large amounts of dynamic mobility which was progressive from a force development point of view.

    I agree with you that morning and evening sessions would work however we didn’t have that luxury.

  9. For what it’s worth Will I agreed with you, but thought your tone was a bit off. For the record I’ve been banned from that board before for being slightly too enthusiastic in slating people so I’ve learned to temper it slightly.

    Most people there are most likely full of shit, though how would you ever know? What I do know is that there are a few very good powerlifters, a couple of guys who’ve fought MMA, some good runners and then there are the rest, who could either be extremely fit or extremely fat. It’s the internet, so either of those possibilities is equally likely.

    As someone who is activley seeking a qualification that doesn’t involve me having to teach people how to dance up and down on steps or how to squat badly, I agree with your assessment of the fitness courses too.
    (aka Roper)

  10. For what it’s worth Will I agreed with you, but thought your tone was a bit off.
    Honest to God…I don’t understand what people mean when they keep saying my tone? The tone I use is actually the only one I have. I assume you mean me saying that it’s pathetic for someone to complain about a course after they sat through it and said nothing? I’m sorry if that upsets people (actually I’m not but I don’t want everyone to know for certain I’m an a-hole)but it’s the truth…it is pathetic and it is pretty frustrating crapping on like that just how it is.

    For the record I’ve been banned from that board before for being slightly too enthusiastic in slating people so I’ve learned to temper it slightly.
    They don’t have to worry about banning me…I blocked email from them and deleted my sig so none of those sensitive types stumble over here and get emotionally damaged.

    Most people there are most likely full of shit, though how would you ever know? What I do know is that there are a few very good powerlifters, a couple of guys who’ve fought MMA, some good runners and then there are the rest, who could either be extremely fit or extremely fat. It’s the internet, so either of those possibilities is equally likely.
    I actually take people for what they are…having someone say they are a top trainer and then demonstrate they don’t have a clue what they are talking about did not get me off to a good start on that board. I think I will leave the place to all those ‘top trainers’ to advertise their services and discuss the merits of how many calories water has (and no…I’m not joking I actually saw the thread)and I agree with you…I’m sure there are some genuine people there…I just didn’t seem to come across many.

    As someone who is activley seeking a qualification that doesn’t involve me having to teach people how to dance up and down on steps or how to squat badly, I agree with your assessment of the fitness courses too.
    (aka Roper)
    What course are you doing?

  11. Not doing any course right now, just finished a degree in something else and I’m looking to get something where I might learn and develop as a coach as opposed to just “doing my time” like everyone else. To be honest, NCEF or similar doesn’t interest me at all as I’m looking for something that will feed into my coaching.

    I come from a big loud family so I’m used to straight talking… if you didn’t say what you meant straight away you might not get a window of opportunity for another week in my house… if you said what you said to me I’d have come back to you in the same manner but as you’ve said, some people on there have built their reputations on that board, dispensing advice and have done well out of it.

    To be frank I don’t give a shit because I’ve been around long enough in coaching/training circles to know that about 99% of the people you meet are full of shit but it’s worth it for the 1% who can offer you something you can use. The only reason I post on there is occasionally I get a nugget of info and I like to share and compare methods. Trouble is, whenever people with a modicum of knowledge come on and speak the truth, they tend to get blasted out of it because they upset the apple cart by saying things like “you’re wrong”.

  12. Mate it is just pretty pathetic…I get what you’re saying but it’s just not for me…I think they are mainly full of shit…I met Dragan I think his name is on the weekend…didn’t get a chance to talk to him but I think he said I was showing my arrogance or something like that…I just think that is pretty lame and shows how little they understand about reality of the job and industry that they seem to think they are a part of…what am I supposed to talk about other than what I do? I don’t have anything else to talk about except the work I do but apparently if I discuss it I’m big noting and grandstanding and blowing my trumpet…what a pile of crap. I don’t even think I mentioned what I do? Did I? I do remember Dragan telling everyone what good trainer he is…but apparently it’s only big noting yourself when I say anything. Actually I hope he’s reading this…Dragan, I didn’t make the connection between you and the comments you made about me when we met…I’ll be down in Pinnacle Gym on Saturday again…I hope you’re down there so we can discuss my ‘arrogance’.

    Roper,
    Maybe you can let him know because I tried to log on so I could PM him and let him know but I’ve obviously been banned from accessing the board…which is another great sign of what that boards all about.

    Anyway…I’m trying to avoid pissing and moaning so I’ll just stop now. Any way…I hope you get something out of the blog and you can feel free to comment in any tone you like here.

  13. lol you seem to piss everyone off with your ‘tone’ will!
    i dont get it, advantage of being an aussie i guess

  14. Funny you should say that mate. Because I think most of it is cultural. By our nature we are straight talking…if someone thinks you’re an idiot at home they tell you that…no malice, no spite…just that they think you’re an idiot.
    Away from home people perceive us as arrogant or obnoxious because we actually say what we mean and don’t piss around. The funny thing is…I think a lot of people who made the comments about me being arrogant are full of it….one of the reasons that I want to actually talk to Dragan again the moderator on that board is that he thinks that I was ‘blowing my trumpet’ and ‘showing my arrogance’…I have a sneaking suspicion that he actually thinks that he’s hot shit…he was the one that went on about what a great trainer he was while he was criticising me…now to me I think a lot of these guys a smug, conceited hypocrites…because they think because they aren’t as open or straight forward as we are that it some how makes them less arrogant or obnoxious…then we supposedly are…do you follow? I think I’m good at what I do…not great…and not the best…but good and trying to be better…and I’m not ashamed to say it…I think they think because they ‘appear’ to be humble or keep that chip on their shoulders hidden that they are better than me.
    The same thing happens in these courses…they hear something that they know to be crap…instead of putting there hand up like we would at home and saying…’Mate, I think you’re full of it!’…they just sit their with their being smug….but like I said…maybe I’m wrong…I’m wrong about a lot of things…but I always say what I mean…but that’s just because I’m so arrogant.

  15. Hahaha Will you are a sensitive soul, if you wern’t so hairy I would check under your skirt. The funny thing is that Hanley isn’t clickey with the boards crowd, he has been banned loads of times for being a cantankerous little shit, actually come to think of it he is like a tame version of you! But he is actually a really good athlete and a very dedicated bloke (unlike that ropey chap who is just a flyby wannabe gymnast) and for that he deserves respect. It really is like a parrallel universe to see Hanley telling people that they are too aggressive tho, Will what have you done to our happy little family?

  16. You think I’m angry now…wait till I’ve been running a 2000 calorie a day deficit for a couple of weeks.

    You can just shut your hole and get me those damned liquid egg whites….I’m thinking 3 litres a week minimum for 20 weeks should do the trick.

  17. Youre right on the ‘cultural’ comment.

    The calories in water thread wasnt posted by a trainer, its a public board, anyone can post, it was probably a curves member/housewife.

    Being banned from Boards.ie seems to be becoming something of a badge of honour for trainers!

  18. yeah not just cultural i dont think, also so many trainers hate to be asked to justify or explain why they are doing something, most of the time id say is they dont have a justification or a reason other than ‘for the sake of it’. which is why i like to ask for reasons for everything i see some other trainer doing, doesnt mean i think its wrong or i can do better, just want to know why they are doing, and if they havent got a reason, then i usually ask ‘why the fuck are you doing it then?’ which then usually turns into an ego or physical altercation which around boxers/muay thai trainers isnt usually a good thing for me

  19. I always say just that to athletes and clients…ask about everything…if someone can’t explain in layman’s terms…simple enough for anyone to understand…then basically I would trust them as far as I could throw them…which with my dodgy back is not far.

    I ask myself that same question every time I write a program and never mind telling athletes and clients exactly why they are doing what their doing.

  20. Questioning is fine and all and I would encourage everyone to ask and enquire, but sometimes you just have to stop analysing and do something. Anything sometimes.

    Some of the questions that come up on that board and others are hilarious though. I agree, how many calories does waterhave is kinda funny, but not as funny as the “I ran a mile and my legs hurt, I think I have shin splints so I’m not doing it anymore” or “I don’t want DOMS anymore, how do I stop them” or better yet “I think my macronutrient timing is off, should I be consuming my BCAAs after I’ve done my 3 sets of 5 half squats? OR should I wait until I’ve had my PWO?” When you know the guy probably did 20 mins in the gym and barely broke a frickin sweat.

    Whenever I’m coaching I ban non-technique questions. If someone wants to refine something that’s cool I can answer in caveman language and the show goes on. But usually people who ask detailed questions are tired and want a big answer while they can rest. Those questions are for after the session.

    And mickk, watch you mouth or I won’t make you give me a discount on dumbell handles. What is VJ’s number anyway?

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